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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:06 am 
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that ain't cool. he's having my baby. you weren't supposed to know.


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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:59 am 
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thefiercelime wrote:

"bless you" ... so what's it mean, now?



act of kindness and consideration. It means you care or at least gives the impression that you care. Or, perhaps most folks that utter "bless you" after a sneeze really dont give a flying fuck but simply want to appear nice. Appearances are important in a civilized society, as is genuine kindness and consideration.

Did that adequately resolve your query?

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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:18 am 
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not so much.

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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:22 pm 
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Cookie wrote:
eqj wrote:
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Is this an issue worth addressing?


Those were innocent days, weren't they?

Remember back on page 3 when the person who brought this up stopped posting?


Yes, yes. Stuff you don't care about is gay. I'll make a note of it. Does anybody else wants to post in this thread about how they don't care about this thread?


Yeah, you miss the point. I think this thread is fascinating if only for the fact that it is doing (very likely, but maybe not that he'd admit it) exactly what Lutz Co. wants it to. But whatever.


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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:15 pm 
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val can express her opinion. and CL can put whatever he wants on a flyer. they both fall under free speech yes?


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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:51 pm 
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eqj wrote:
I think this thread is fascinating if only for the fact that it is doing (very likely, but maybe not that he'd admit it) exactly what Lutz Co. wants it to. But whatever.


I'm sure it is doing exactly what he wants it to, but you know how we never pat Zach Starkey on the back at the end of one of his epic threads and tell him that all publicity is good publicity? There are reasons for that.

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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:16 pm 
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Wow.

I personally have said everything that I think I needed to say on the subject, but just want to clear up one thing:

I wasn't trying to start a conversation about whether or not we like Chris Lutzko and he knows this. No offense to him. He's just someone trying to make things like the rest of us and his process is generally awesome by me. I'm not super P.C. or easy to offend. I do have a shred of integrity in the scene and I would rather demonstrate that than wet noodle from show to show hoping to get included in something I don't really believe in. That's all. I really wanted to just start a discussion about a trend I was noticing that I can't stand. I think it has more to do with a certain mentality in our culture right now than one person in particular. This is the first time I have really taken notice of anything Chris has done. It really was not supposed to be about him. So I kind of regret that this conversation had given some other people (not myself) license to insult his intelligence when really my gripe was more based on a practice.

(However, I was confused by the constant 3cb plugging earlier in the thread. What is it? An overpriced men's fashion quarterly? Like, a local one? I don't think that kind of stuff is recession-proof.)

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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:23 pm 
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[quote="wimptemp"]Wow.

I personally have said everything that I think I needed to say on the subject, but just want to clear up one thing:

I really wanted to just start a discussion about a trend I was noticing that I can't stand. I think it has more to do with a certain mentality in our culture right now

(However, I was confused by the constant 3cb plugging earlier in the thread. What is it? An overpriced men's fashion quarterly? Like, a local one? I don't think that kind of stuff is recession-proof.)

/quote]


yes but its neither of these things


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=da ... gle+Search

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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:47 pm 
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Oh wow...Dash Snow.

I met him at a party in grinningvillage in 2006. Of course I don't know him at all, but he didn't seem like a bad guy. He had alot of people hanging onto him, and you could tell he was definitely used to being the center of affection or at least obsession. I mean, he's definitely very charismatic without even trying to be....which is probably why I ended up hating everyone else and kind of liking him.

But...from the snippets of conversation I had with him it's really depressing at how far he's disappeared inside of his exterior performance. He's completey posessed with a supreme superficial confidence without any good reason for having it and I think that's why he's so charismatic....he makes you feel bold.

I really really like Ariel Levy's writing though. I didn't even know that it was her who wrote the NYmagazine article.

And just for the record: I trust the intentions (good or evil) of The Unholy Two and Chris L. much more than I trust semi-celebrity artists from NYC who worship Bukowski and adhere to their own personal doctrine of importance.

And on that note....does anyone else think that The Unholy Two would be a pretty sweet shoegaze band? I'm serious....

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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:37 am 
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trust semi-celebrity artists
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Unholy Two lost the sickness and the medicine that did this.

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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:30 am 
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Wesley Flexner wrote:
wimptemp wrote:
Wow.

I personally have said everything that I think I needed to say on the subject, but just want to clear up one thing:

I really wanted to just start a discussion about a trend I was noticing that I can't stand. I think it has more to do with a certain mentality in our culture right now

(However, I was confused by the constant 3cb plugging earlier in the thread. What is it? An overpriced men's fashion quarterly? Like, a local one? I don't think that kind of stuff is recession-proof.)
/quote]


yes but its neither of these things


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=da ... gle+Search


Besides the drugs this is totally not recession-proof.

j/k


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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:52 am 
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I think it is obviously impossible to bring a subject like this to any message board, and not have it turn into a multi-page collection of people chiming in, getting angry, getting defensive, trying to be witty and all that jazz.

This thread isn't really that big once you remove the trying to be witty part. There is a lot of that going on here.


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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:06 am 
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slowmoriot wrote:
I think it is obviously impossible to bring a subject like this to any message board, and not have it turn into a multi-page collection of people chiming in, getting angry, getting defensive, trying to be witty and all that jazz.

This thread isn't really that big once you remove the trying to be witty part. There is a lot of that going on here.

...and youtube rebuttals. Does anyone even click on those?


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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:29 pm 
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Tristannus wrote:
Oh wow...Dash Snow.

I met him at a party in grinningvillage in 2006. Of course I don't know him at all, but he didn't seem like a bad guy. He had alot of people hanging onto him, and you could tell he was definitely used to being the center of affection or at least obsession. I mean, he's definitely very charismatic without even trying to be....which is probably why I ended up hating everyone else and kind of liking him.

But...from the snippets of conversation I had with him it's really depressing at how far he's disappeared inside of his exterior performance. He's completey posessed with a supreme superficial confidence without any good reason for having it and I think that's why he's so charismatic....he makes you feel bold.

I really really like Ariel Levy's writing though. I didn't even know that it was her who wrote the NYmagazine article.

And just for the record: I trust the intentions (good or evil) of The Unholy Two and Chris L. much more than I trust semi-celebrity artists from NYC who worship Bukowski and adhere to their own personal doctrine of importance.

And on that note....does anyone else think that The Unholy Two would be a pretty sweet shoegaze band? I'm serious....



I am really glad Ariel Levy's critique of the abuses of previous generations progress by current artists and feminists exist.

dash snow...model, art shows in the whitney, and was up everywhere in nyc? its impressive even it is evidence of decline.

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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:16 pm 
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I ended this thread on page 8.

Reality was never real.

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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:58 pm 
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wimptemp wrote:
Wesley Flexner wrote:


Besides the drugs this is totally not recession-proof.

j/k


prophettic, sorta

http://www3.timeoutny.com/newyork/tonyb ... 80%932009/

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 Post subject: Re: inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:15 am 
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What a waste. He wasn't popular enough to die yet.

But really, what a sad fucking waste. You've got to think, at that point, all his friends should have done something. Getting to the point where everyone is enamored with you so much to actually help you at all is a kiss of death.

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