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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:24 pm 
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Or think that everything on the internet is ironic.

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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:26 pm 
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YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been on here for a few years now, and finally I've stumbled across a thread that is more annoying than ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:38 pm 
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tuxspeedo wrote:
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been on here for a few years now, and finally I've stumbled across a thread that is more annoying than ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: semi-racist show flyers/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:43 pm 
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Seriously, though. Where to begin?

I knew the questions would be asked, "what about famous black people versus anonymous black people" and "what about hot chicks across the race spectrum"? Perfectly, predictably reasonable points. I was trying to be a little more specific. I mean just as someone might choose the image of robots or hot vampires to draw public attention, using the image of yes, anonymous black people for the same purpose. I am simply saying as one person, as frequently one of 3 to 5 black people and generally the only black female at SAID SHOWS, I have been seeing too much of it and am not into it. I hope these things aren't going over people's heads. You're not just making a scene commentary to white bro over here, it's way complicated. I mean, I know I sound like a total lesbian when I say these things. But it's just one thing I'm asking. I mean, cut up hookers, naked chicks, gay nazis fisting each other, a burning car full of shitty diapers, a satanic grandma covered in bloody, chunky jizz, I mean, whatever. I'm just saying white people, don't go specifically THERE.

Making a controversial yet viable social commentary that I am misinterpreting is one thing (thank you, Wes). I don't read Pitchfork, that shit was over my head. I don't mean to cry race wolf and I don't think that I am. I think what I'm saying is I have reached adequate saturation in how many different ways I can be made uncomfortable by people I want to be supporting. I put a post up because it's not just one band and probably not just me that's pretty over that shit. Trust me, I'm not that easy to offend. It's just one thing that I hope you bros can get over. Just one thing. Get it? One.

Carry the fuck on.


I haven't seen the flyer, and my life is probably better for it, but I've been in your place before. I've fought with better bands about similar issues, and to be honest, I don't have that much fight left in me. Because you just end up railing against some snot-nosed prick who thinks that being purposefully offensive is some sort of substitute for being creative or thought-provoking and all of his similarly clueless friends. I support your willingness to fight the good fight, but frankly, I'd rather not give that sort of punk and his schtick any more attention than they deserve, and I'm afraid I just have.

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Sounds like an average night with Lutzko. God, I love that kid.


Thanks for mentioning that. The internet hadn't noticed.

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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:44 pm 
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Rollie wrote:
I love when new people come to this board and think they are more intelligent than everyone here.

Or think that everything on the internet is ironic.

2002 was like a mad long time ago.


Okay, okay...wait. Actually I would rather say thank you, Doug.


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 Post subject: Re: semi-racist show flyers/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:52 pm 
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... some snot-nosed prick who thinks that being purposefully offensive is some sort of substitute for being creative or thought-provoking and all of his similarly clueless friends...

So Andrew Dice Clay is not fresh anymore?

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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:58 pm 
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wimptemp wrote:
tiger yang wrote:
What's wrong with fat black chick porn?


Are you really in Brooklyn, or do you just like, joke like you're in Brooklyn?


Rollie wrote:
I love when new people come to this board and think they are more intelligent than everyone here.

Or think that everything on the internet is ironic.

2002 was like a mad long time ago.


Cookie wrote:

redrabbit wrote:
Sounds like an average night with Lutzko. God, I love that kid.


Thanks for mentioning that. The internet hadn't noticed.


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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:04 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:10 pm 
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wimptemp wrote:
Rollie wrote:
I love when new people come to this board and think they are more intelligent than everyone here.

Or think that everything on the internet is ironic.

2002 was like a mad long time ago.


Okay, okay...wait. Actually I would rather say thank you, Doug.


Hey, you're welcome. I actually thought the discussion was valid and interesting, and probably necessary, but you kind of blew it when you slammed this site as whole and started singling out members of this board for petty reasons. It's a mistake a lot of new posters make, and it gets tough to dig out of that hole, because there are some seriously intelligent minds here who are willing to give their sincere opinions and discuss topics like the one you brought up.

I'm not one of them, so I'll stay out of it, but I will say I just went for a car ride and thought about this topic the entire ride home. Just remain on the topic at hand and don't take for granted the intelligence of some of the people on this board, especially that of Chris'.


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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:01 pm 
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tiger yang wrote:
wimptemp wrote:
tiger yang wrote:
What's wrong with fat black chick porn?


Are you really in Brooklyn, or do you just like, joke like you're in Brooklyn?




Also, what’s wrong with being sexy?


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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:08 pm 
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Rollie wrote:
wimptemp wrote:
Rollie wrote:
I love when new people come to this board and think they are more intelligent than everyone here.

Or think that everything on the internet is ironic.

2002 was like a mad long time ago.


Okay, okay...wait. Actually I would rather say thank you, Doug.


Hey, you're welcome. I actually thought the discussion was valid and interesting, and probably necessary, but you kind of blew it when you slammed this site as whole and started singling out members of this board for petty reasons. It's a mistake a lot of new posters make, and it gets tough to dig out of that hole, because there are some seriously intelligent minds here who are willing to give their sincere opinions and discuss topics like the one you brought up.

I'm not one of them, so I'll stay out of it, but I will say I just went for a car ride and thought about this topic the entire ride home. Just remain on the topic at hand and don't take for granted the intelligence of some of the people on this board, especially that of Chris'.


First of all, it wasn't my intention at all to insult Chris' intelligence whatsoever. I was actually just using that flyer as a current example of many that I have seen that make me similarly uncomfortable. I'm assuming most people have seen this one as it is up now. None of this was intended as an attack on Chris whatsoever. He is fine with me. I believe he's/you are intelligent and I have said it a million times, I support him/you creatively. This is actually not even about C.L at all. He just happened to have done something that I've been annoyed about for a long time.

And I wasn't trying to slam Donewaiting or any one person individually. When I used the term "advanced" I just meant, I wasn't trying to have a broadened conversation about racism. That is way too complicated. I was only talking about one thing. Which was initially related. Initially. See, this is where things get sketchy. Because I don't think anyone really feels where I'm coming from and my language isn't really totally effective in getting across what I would like. But no, I don't think anyone is stupid or that I am smarter than everyone. No way. I do however, have a different perspective than most people who will read this and I can try to be diplomatic but I can't deviate from that.

I think I made my real point very early. The point is that I am super disappointed by this one thing that I've been noticing. Sorry I got heated and told off some anonymous people who I probably know in real life. I don't know who you are on the internet. We'll talk about it, maybe. I didn't bring this up with the intention to commit social suicide or burn any bridges. No one else had said anything about it, I say something in public and everyone gets to uncomfortable and like, can't talk about it. Hence, the internet.

Anyway, I don't see there being any conclusion in sight, I'm not looking for one. Thanks everyone for reading and feeling whatever you feel about it.

Lastly, I do actually have a sense of humor and can even be nice sometimes. To the person in Brooklyn, I have no idea what you were talking about in the last post. Like, not at all. I am a total fucking rube, ask anyone.

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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:36 pm 
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This entire thread actually is a flyer


Awesome! :lol: (I have a thing for flyers...)

I don't know you, but I knew it was you. I wondered if those type of images made anyone uncomfortable. Now I know the answer.


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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:21 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: semi-racist show flyers/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:29 pm 
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wimptemp wrote:
I knew the questions would be asked, "what about famous black people versus anonymous black people" and "what about hot chicks across the race spectrum"? Perfectly, predictably reasonable points. I was trying to be a little more specific. I mean just as someone might choose the image of robots or hot vampires to draw public attention, using the image of yes, anonymous black people for the same purpose. I am simply saying as one person, as frequently one of 3 to 5 black people and generally the only black female at SAID SHOWS, I have been seeing too much of it and am not into it. I hope these things aren't going over people's heads. You're not just making a scene commentary to white bro over here, it's way complicated. I mean, I know I sound like a total lesbian when I say these things. But it's just one thing I'm asking. I mean, cut up hookers, naked chicks, gay nazis fisting each other, a burning car full of shitty diapers, a satanic grandma covered in bloody, chunky jizz, I mean, whatever. I'm just saying white people, don't go specifically THERE.

Making a controversial yet viable social commentary that I am misinterpreting is one thing (thank you, Wes). I don't read Pitchfork, that shit was over my head. I don't mean to cry race wolf and I don't think that I am. I think what I'm saying is I have reached adequate saturation in how many different ways I can be made uncomfortable by people I want to be supporting. I put a post up because it's not just one band and probably not just me that's pretty over that shit. Trust me, I'm not that easy to offend. It's just one thing that I hope you bros can get over. Just one thing. Get it? One.

Carry the fuck on.


agree with this.

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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:08 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:19 pm 
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Anyway, I don't see there being any conclusion in sight, I'm not looking for one. Thanks everyone for reading and feeling whatever you feel about it.


Look, we're all well-informed informers here. I mean, everyone with an opinion seems (obviously) pretty goddamn qualified to discourse (and what it makes it even more genius - and here's where I like, so totally agree with you - is that there's no conclusion in sight.....ever...for anything...ever) about ohsotired subjects like racism and...semi-racism.





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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:52 am 
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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:42 am 
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you just ruined that whole fucking movie for me

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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:20 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:24 am 
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$TOP $NITCHIN & $TART WRITING $ONG$ :?: :?: :?:

LET ME CARRY yer sins for u,
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was it my techiccc :?:
like the oj thing :?:
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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:38 am 
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huh, i kinda thought by saying that it might be too "advanced" for donewaiting just meant that perhaps a message board wasn't the best medium for diving into the intricacies of the conversation.

are you guys really that quick to think someone is calling you stupid?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:42 am 
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huh, i kinda thought by saying that it might be too "advanced" for donewaiting just meant that perhaps a message board wasn't the best medium for diving into the intricacies of the conversation.

are you guys really that quick to think someone is calling you stupid?

who you callin stupid?!?! I'll show you just how stupid I can be!

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Bennett wrote:
huh, i kinda thought by saying that it might be too "advanced" for donewaiting just meant that perhaps a message board wasn't the best medium for diving into the intricacies of the conversation.

are you guys really that quick to think someone is calling you stupid?

who you callin stupid?!?! I'll show you just how stupid I can be!


STUPID LIKE A FOX!!

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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:48 am 
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who you callin stupid?!?! I'll show you just how stupid I can be!


This Lutzko kid is retarded and somewhere on the low-functioning end of the autism spectrum, right?

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 Post subject: Re: misspelling of lutzko/inappropriate ethnic appropriation
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:50 am 
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huh, i kinda thought by saying that it might be too "advanced" for donewaiting just meant that perhaps a message board wasn't the best medium for diving into the intricacies of the conversation.

that's how i read it.

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