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 Post subject: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:53 pm 
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So, WTF?

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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:32 pm 
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This definitely needs to be addressed.

Outland on Liberty (to my knowledge) had never hosted a concert before. Wouldn't it make sense for the promoter to visit the venue and make sure that they have a functional PA for this type of event before a show like this was booked there? I'm sure Outland jumped at the chance to get this show there, and why wouldn't they? Maybe the venue thought they had the necessary equipment, but it still seems like the promoter should have double checked, especially since I don't think BenCo has ever booked a show there before. Just seems like plain old lazy planning/execution.

Yeah, I'm a little pissed about not getting to see a show that I was kind of looking forward to. But there were two guys in back of me in line who drove from Cleveland who really have a right to be angry. Not to mention the bands that trekked out to Columbus expecting to play a show and were met with un-workable conditions.

I know canceled shows are a fact of life, but this seems like a situation that could have easily been avoided with a little proactiveness on the part of the venue/promoter. Not trying to lay blame, but I think it's pretty clear that the two aforementioned parties were at fault. Wouldn't recommend for anyone to attend a show at the Outland anytime soon, the piss-poor handling of this situation does not bode well for them.


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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:55 am 
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I was kind of curious to know at what point that it was realized that the p.a. wasn't going to work and why it would have been ruled out to rent one for the evening. Sounds like it must have not been determined until later in the day. That's a real bummer.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:52 pm 
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i have a p.a. i coulda rented on short notice and for cheap. coulda in one hand...

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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:15 pm 
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Well, im just speculating here since i have not spoken to Ben but I was pretty sure that they had the sound lined up. I spoke to the guy that was going to do sound and he was planning on bringing his own PA, which is a pretty nice system.

So I guess im saying that i have no idea why the gig was canceled but i doubt it was due to no sound equipment.


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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:51 pm 
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Good people of Columbus: Very bad news. The show tonight has been canceled. The promoter failed to provide us with a working PA. The crew & I worked for hours to try and make it work, but in the end, the sound equipment provided was not functional. I am so sorry. Tickets will be refunded. Please know we were there working hard to try and make it happen, but in the end we all suffered due to negligence on the part of The promoter. Next time you will get the show you deserve, good people. With a working PA. Many apologies and many thanks. -Annie & bandcrew


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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:02 pm 
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I stand corrected.


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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:05 pm 
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sometimes a working p.a. isn't enough. i know annie from previous shows together, and even with a stripped down band, she requires a lot from the p.a. i'm not placing blame, but it sounds like a miscommunication or misunderstanding about what was required for her show. in the end, hopefully it's a learning experience for both artist and promoter, and future issues will be prevented.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:29 pm 
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This made me sad :(

I suspect there were a few out-of-towners who drove to Columbus for the only Ohio date on this tour (well, there is a Cincy date at the end of March too but it's not really part of this tour).

I'm just glad I got to sit in on the Big Room show earlier that afternoon.


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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:14 am 
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some kids were so pissed they were throwing snowballs at oultland!

tuxspeedo got pelted

i dont care about st vincent i was just stoked for the chicks

somebody shit the bed somewhere


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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:16 am 
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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:30 am 
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Should of borrowed Bourbon Streets pa.. ;) :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:18 pm 
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Very Funny


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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:39 pm 
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I seriously feel sorry for any band that doesn't play a show because the p.a. isn't good enough. Time to go back to art school.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:59 pm 
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I wonder what the requirements could have been. Did somebody forget to bring the sound tank for the porpoises, or what?

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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:18 pm 
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when you're a professional touring musician, and you play anything other than 3-piece garage rock, you're probably going to need a decent p.a. 3 separate monitor mixes? lead vocals, acoustic di, keyboards, some backing vocals... that shit all adds up, and it's perfectly reasonable to need those things.

i don't think it's fair to make st. vincent out to be some sort of art school diva. it's unfair to say someone is being difficult for expecting the sound system that was agreed upon in the booking contract.

again, i'm not calling out ben or anything; i really like his shows, and i've participated in quite a few of them. i just think this is an interesting discussion.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:34 pm 
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That's not a lot of gear. There are sound systems all over the place. I think that's why people are wondering what happened. You could also say that, if you're in a touring band, you're pretty used to unexpected sh#$ happening all of the time. Some people just roll along with it and some people don't.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:47 pm 
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i don't think it's fair to make st. vincent out to be some sort of art school diva. it's unfair to say someone is being difficult for expecting the sound system that was agreed upon in the booking contract.


Thanks Erik for being the voice of reason.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:50 pm 
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I wouldn't worry about it zlong. Other artists probably aren't a bunch of babydicks. If they are, you shouldn't be going to their show. Listen to real music.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:07 pm 
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shits pretty creepy really

somebody call this girl and say they're annie clark


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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:14 pm 
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All I'm saying is that I've never heard of another band canceling a show because of the p.a. I'm sure the show would have been fine. babydickery abound.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:27 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:39 pm 
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Man, I thought these chicks' first video on here was annoying.



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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:45 pm 
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thefiercelime wrote:
That's not a lot of gear. There are sound systems all over the place. I think that's why people are wondering what happened. You could also say that, if you're in a touring band, you're pretty used to unexpected sh#$ happening all of the time. Some people just roll along with it and some people don't.


you're right that some people roll along with it and others don't. my point is that artists shouldn't be called babydicks or divas for not wanting to roll with something that's not right, shouldn't have happened, and could have been prevented.

you're also right that touring bands get used to unexpected shit happening. however, you also see how many venues can get shit right. it's the bad clubs that stick out in your memory. trust me.

bo, i understand your point, but i think there's a real difference between a traditional rock band having bad sound and an act like st. vincent having bad sound. that being said, my only issue with what happened is that st. vincent should have called the venue/promoter in advance and made clear how important having a proper sound system was. at the very least, then the show could have been canceled earlier.

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 Post subject: Re: St. Vincent Outland/Benco Fiasco
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:49 pm 
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Whatever happened, it just sounds like a downer. I had thought about heading out there. Glad that I went Bourbon St. and The Treehouse, instead. Their P.A.'s were slamming! Haha.

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